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What exactly does Micro$hit's app store has to do with Valve?

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And? Who says valve is gonna put a free app on their shitty service? Even if they did, who says that they have to give microsoft money for games sold through steam, even if steam was downloaded through the store?

>>149906902
Oh, but I don't care. I just wanted to share the information.

sounds good i guess

>>149906929
>less margins
>publishers sell their games on windows app store
>average joe buys his game on app store
That's exactly why Gabe Newell is mad at windows 8.

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>Apps

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>implying that valvefags are even gamers
>implying they are not subscribers

>>149906996
What, are you deaf?

>Steam finally gets a worthy rival service that isn't infested with malware
>Gabe suddenly attacks it before it's even released

Hilarious.

can't wait to have 7 digital game services on my PC

>>149906954
>Who says valve is gonna put a free app on their shitty service?
If they don't want to go bankrupt, I guess they don't have the choice. OR they just go to the 0.5% of people who will switch for linux.

>>149907224
He is so mad windows store is more attractive for publishers. So scared he had to publicly throw dirt at the new windows.

>>149907224
>worthy rival
>infested with malware
>Steam
>implying you're not a faggot
>Implying I'm not a valvedrone

>>149907145
Saying that the customer only owns a license was a standard even before steam.

>>149907248
but only one of them comes preinstalled

Publishers will just use both as Steam already has the majority of the market.
The only thing Gabe is scared about is that it will slow down Steam's growth.

>windows enter the digital distribution competition for real this time
>steam has to enter stockmarket to print money
>Gabe Newell is not named CEO
>stock holders force bullshit in steam
You know this is what will happen.

I told you about the DRM, bro. I told you man!

>>149907361
>implying you even own a license
>implying you own anything buying games from steam
you are only receiver of service aka subscriber and valve can strip you from your subscription at any time they want.

>>149907472
Most of steam support is handled by bots

It probably read the ticket as him requesting to have his account deactivated.

>>/r/gaming

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>>149907224

>Microsoft
>Malware free

Pick one faggot

>>149907574
>Gabe
>majority shareholder
pick two

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>mfw nobody switches to windows 8

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>iOS app store
>Only on a desktop computer

>>149907472
Yeah that's a bot response

I would fucking love to see Valve and everything it stands for go up in flames. Microsoft, give them hell.

>>149907546
If it is made more convenient than steam (no extra background process or have to log in to play), then I won't think twice before buying on their store.

>>149907748
At $30 for the upgrade, be sure I switch day 1. At least I buy it, and install it after a few update correcting a few stuffs.

>>149907748
>mfw everybody except people with a brain do it

>>149907639
>implying that microsoft products are not malware

>>149907862
>buying software day 1

Oh my.

>>149907472
I don't defend Valve usually but this is clearly a pre-made response.

Or is the irony the whole point of that picture?

>Trusting the same people behind GFWL to make a system equal to valves

And you say valve drones are delusional

>>149907862
>no extra background process or have to log in to play
It's built straight into windows and requires a windows-ID sign-in.

>>149907617
>>149907771
What? There isn't even the word "cancell" or "deactivate". That's a stupid statement.

>>149907337
No, he's worriegoingt windows is going to force Steam into an app store contract and cut into profits. He's also worried raising compter literacy and anti-M$ sentiment will make a linux platform more attractive, even without Steam

>>149907946
Im tired of windows live id bullshit, I really am. They can go fuck themselves with that for all I care.

>>149907616
yes, but they won't

going around taking peoples games is bad for business. who knew?

>apps

>>149907946
Yeah, it is build in windows, you log with your session. At least, I don't need to install another DRM (bundled with a shop) on top.

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>mfw Steam is going to die
>mfw Gaben is desperate trying to put his DRM on linux now, but Stallman is telling him to fuck off
>mfw all these suckers on /v/ will lose all their games when Valve bankrupts

The future is going to be glorious

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>Supporting microsoft

>Microshit late to the party as usual
>forcing all software that can be ran in Win8 to be signed/certified by Microshit, effectively giving them the authority to decide what you can do with your own computer
>not realizing this is even worse than Apple

Linux here we come

I don't understand. So fucking what?

They're not obligated to put Steam in the Store. People will continue to download Steam from steampowered.com just like they've done for 10 years. Is there something I'm missing? Are you telling me people in the future will be so lazy that they won't be able to do a simple google search for the shit they want?

Holy shit man, either I'm missing the joke or there's something I don't know.

>>149908198

>Supporting Valve DRM

>>149908051
>mfw pirating games is better than buying subscriptions on steam
>if you pirate you actually own the game and you can do anything with it

>>149908000
>he's worriegoingt windows is going to force Steam into an app store contract and cut into profits
It is totally false, they don't take a cut on transactions made inside the application. Same as the apple store, and I didn't hear Gabe throw a tantrum at Apple. Read the link in op as source.

Now you understand why gaben hates win8?

HAHA

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>>149908000
>>149908000
>>149908000

>Gabe hates windows 8
>Hurr durr savior of technology
>Gabe also says Nvidia is superior
>People ignore that statement.

>>149908321
it's trips you faggot

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>>149908000

>>149907574
Valve is privately owned, it's not on the stock market

>>149908119
you do realize valves profit increased for 100% 8th year in a row right ?

You're all fucking stupid if you think Microsoft is going to give you guys a better service than Valve.

Honestly you are.

You're whinging on like Valve is royally fucking us up the ass to the extent of GFWL or Origin but honestly if none of us can really comprehend how good we have it right now with valve.

I'm not saying they're perfect but I trust them a hell of a lot more than those fuckers who came up with GFWL.

>>149908349
>nvidia is superior
because... it is

>>149908349
Nvidia is superior provided you have enough blue LEDs for ice cool temps

>>149908241
>I don't understand. So fucking what?
>more attractive for publishers
>less steamworks games
>eventual exclusivities
>more convenient (fully integrated in windows) for casual users (ie steam crowd)
Don't you see how it can hurt steam?

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>>149908349
>Nvidia

>>149907083
Most publishers that are actually competent wouldn't put their shit on Windows 8 Store.
Trust me my dad works at nintend

>>149908476
>more attractive for publishers
>microsoft takes 30% of profits

wat

>>149908476
No, I give mankind more credit than that.

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Guys

GUYS

IMAGINE

WAIT GUYS

IMAGINE

IF

IMAGINE IF VALVE

MADE IT'S OWN OS

>>149907098
I hate that word so much and i don't even know why.

>>149908649
It would be pure shit because they have no idea about building OS

>>149908649
Considering Steam runs like shit on above-average rigs, I'd say it'd be shitty.

>>149908724
Because it t wreaks of hipster?

>>149908596
No, no, no. Read again. They take 30% if your net receipts is less than $25,000. Over $25,000 (ie 99% of games), it decrease to 20%.
Valve takes a cut of 30%.

>>149908649
Cool, I'm sure our descendants will enjoy its completion

>>149908596

valve take 30% no matter what the price of the software that you rent from them.

>>149908649
I recognize that bulge

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>>149908649
>Using Valve OS
>Alt-Tab a window
>hl2.exe has stopped working

>>149907617
>>149907771
I don't think so. If you don't accept the new agreement it's the same as cancelling your account anyway.

>Implying you have to use the app store
>Implying you wouldn't be able to download steam from its website like always

>>149908649

The Steam client is a fucking mess. I doubt they could get even close to making a stable OS build.

>>149908724
because it's incorrect version of word applications
also why not use word "program"?

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>>149908906
>hl2.exe has stopped working

>>149908420
That's why he said "Valve has to enter stock market"
you fucking idiot

>>149908954
Not cool enough, too nerdy.

>>149907083
Unless Microsoft starts offering a DRM, cloud, free to update their game without a cost, instant sales reports, etc etc then I doubt it.

>Microsoft makes billions from windows
>Not enough
>Makes trillions with app store with windows

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Everyone begs for steams to go down in flames but are the same people who hate GFWL. If steam goes down all you're going to see is GFWL and Origin. Glorious future isn't it?

>>149908954
programs are or nerds lol

i only use apps xD like dis if u agree xD

>>149908906
Ugh I hate her face so fucking much.

>>149908649
DING DING DING WE HAVE A WINNER!
http://blogs.valvesoftware.com/linux/faster-zombies/

>>149908954
>why not use word "program"?

Exactly. Program sounds much better.

Don't you need to make your shit with XNA to put in there?

>>149909050
>imlying im not gonna use superior gog

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>Comparing an app store filled with cheap, quickly made apps to a service actually designed with games in mind

>Implying any devs like the idea of a completely locked down store
lolno

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Oh man, Steam loves Alienware and AMD.

>>149908263
No, you don't own the game. You stole a copy of the game.

>>149909124
>buying scene cracked games

Are you for real, dude?

>>149908858
>>149908817

Funny. I keep seeing this 30% figure stated with no citations. In fact, it's been cited numerous times that the cut is worked out individually by developer/publisher. Stop spreading your false info.

>>149908858
Oh, my mistake. I'm still not buying a single fucking thing on that Metro shit though simply because of how user-unfriendly it is. I don't imagine many people will be willing to put up with that. Certainly not people who play video games, where that service essentially turns your PC into a console.

>>149908119
Current Steam users are not going to abandon it because they have games and friends on there.

And Stallman was surprisingly OK with Steam, saying it'll be a positive thing at least in the short term.

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>Built into windows
>A good thing
Enjoy not being able to use alternative stores in the next couple Windows releases

>>149909208
alienware is shit
only way to get gaming pc is to build it on your own, laptops are shit

>>149908954
Well. Apps are really small, lightweight programs to do simple tasks. This shit won't fly on PC, because it doesn't need standalone rss readers, youtube explolers, facebook posters and twitter viewers. It all works perfectly here natively. And people understand that.

>>149909236
Don't bother, bro, he won't get it.

>>149909242
>implying that all gog games are senne cracked
step it up

Closed platforms is in no way a good thing

Do you really want your PC to turn into a Mac or Xbox LIVE style affair where you can only do as you are specifically permitted?

I can't wait for Angry Birds Game of the Year Deluxe Edition for PC™

>>149909287
>And Stallman was surprisingly OK with Steam
>steam is immoral
Yeah, right....

>>149908817
Hey, you can't go around spreading bullshit, you know.
I've negotiated with Valve, and got the cut down to 15% for my game. Sure, it's one of those huur indie gaems, but still. They don't indefinitely take 30% cut.

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>>149909208
lel

Hey guys, remember the GFWL store?
That worked out so well for MS, right?

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I can't wait for code a $1 app that makes a fart sound whenever you click!

I'm gonna be rich!

>>149909287
>Current Steam users are not going to abandon it because they have games and friends on there.
Doesn't matter. What keeps a company going is growth, Microsoft monopolizing like this is cutting Steam's growth.

>>149909264
http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/118701-Notch-in-No-Hurry-to-Bring-Minecraft-to-Steam

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>>149909425
>dat reddit icon

>>149909264
The people that put their game up for Steam negotiates a contract around 30% which has been mentioned multiple times interviews years ago. I'm way too lazy to find any citationf or you. I remember reading Valve took something lesser than the typical cut for indies.

>>149908119

You have not the slightest clue what you're even saying.

>but Stallman is telling him to fuck off

Are you seriously insinuating "linux" has 1 leader? Are you really that fucking stupid? Christ /v/ is retarded these days

>>149909287
It is not about the users, retard. Microsoft is seducing publishers. If no publishers put their game on steam, steam is fucked. It is not a choice of yours. It is over.

>>149908119
>listening to Stallman
>2012
He doesn't know shit about video games.

>>149909423
>tells people not to spread bullshit
>posts statement anonymously with no proof whatsoever to back up his claim

This is the future for MS. If you want to put your game on their store, or their system you will have to pay them royalties. picture XBOB LIVE's terms. That's why a lot of indie devs are bitching at MSs' new approach, even Notch hates it.

>>149909090
yeah, linux, winner, right.

nobody cares about stem in mac, nobody will care about steam in linux.

if windows has its own app store with games and all that shit, steam will die

>>149909423
lol, so much bullshit see >>149909525


>implying you'd get a better contract than notch and his million selling minevraft

>>149909540

What?


What's wrong with directing retards to their natural habbitat? Would you rather they make a 4chan button? I don't get people like you that bitch about the reddit button.

>>149909613
But the publishers won't restrict themselves to one distribution platform, don't be so fucking stupid.

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>>149907145
>living in the US or EU

People actually do this kinda shit?

>>149909423

Valve actually takes anywhere between 5% to about 45%. Depends on the size of the game, who is publishing it and how much it's expected to sell.

Apparently, it is actually indie developers who get the shitty deal. I know someone who got his game published on steam, Valve took almost half of the money he made on it. But a lot of big publishers have a lot more leeway on what they can expect to pay.

Although no one actually knows the exact percentage Valve take, because all this is kept private.

>>149907262
>Go bankrupt
>Millions of people have managed to download and run an exe before an app store.
>Most actual people playing games won't upgrade to W8.

Yea, no.

>>149909696
It's to SHARE on Reddit. This is why Reddit is alive. They'd be too stupid to figure out how to copy the link to share. Valve gives them support.

>>149909525

Not the guy you're replying to, but you're a goddamn buffoon if you think notch or the escapist are reliable sources.

>daily steam/valve/gabe hate thread

If you pass away at your keyboard, at least you'll die doing what you loved; obsessing negatively on a games company.

>>149909675
>if windows has its own app store with games and all that shit, steam will die

It already does, retard. Everyone hates it.

>>149909750
It doesn't even apply to the EU, it's against EU law

>>149909709
If it assure them more profit, oh yes they do. If you have the choice, you can still buy on steam. And publishers won't want that when that microsoft store will open.

>>149909675
They are going to release a linux based os that will compliment their steambox.

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>>149909776
>upgrade to W8
>Windows 8
>upgrade

>>149907979
Yeah but still this is a bot response the last time I contacted them for a refund they responded with some weird instructions to reset my steam settings. The response after that was made by a human.

>>149909626
You can believe what you want. I'm not going to fully enrich you with knowledge, since this is 4chan.
Reddit gives me more support, so fuck you.

>>149909675

>If windows had it's own web browser and all that shit, firefox/chrome will die

Then again, maybe not.

>>149909853
Oh no they won't, are you dense or something? Publishers know that Steam is what makes them the most money for PC games, they'll at least put their games on both the app store and Steam for a few years to get data. Then when Steam nets them more money, as always, they will either stop publishing to the MS store or continue on both.

>>149909794
Notch negociated with them.

>>149909774 and >>149909423 are buffons.

Dude, seriously, if I see one of these retarded anti-steam threads that always end in ad hominem I'm going to have to bust out the bateman because I know that theres only one faggot who honestly believes steam is bad and the rest are just fucking trolls.

>>149909419
So is Windows, VLC, MS Paint, and Google goddamn Chrome. Don't take rms too seriously.

>>149909947
Yeah, right, of course you don't pull that out of your ass at all.

Gaben and Notch both said Windows 8 is a fucking nightmare.

More like RIP Micro$hit, because I'm not buying another OS

>>149910085
I would post the proof but it is in german ;_;

>>149910016
You are ridiculous.

>>149910072
>Not using MPC, GIMP, and Firefox

>>149910103
>Notch

The only advise I'd take from him is where to take a vacation at.

>yfw the era of exclusives on the PC is upon us (W8 Store, Origin or Steam)

>>149910161
And how am I ridiculous, exactly? They're not going to jump ship immediately with no proof or metrics, especially since not many people will upgrade to Windows 8 until they get a new PC or all major new games start using DX12.

>>149910103
Apple goes pretty much made their desktop and mobile OS' the same. Now Microsoft is doing this shit. Linux only profits from their retarded decisions.

>>149909024
But program is way cooler. Does Tron have apps? No, because Tron is too cool for that gay hipster shit.

>>149910271
AHHAHAHAHAHAH
>mpc one of the worst media players
>GIMP, one of the gayest, most terrible 'art' programs
>firefox, memory leaks fucking everywhere and slowdown

>>149910103
Those 2 fat jews are just mad because microsoft is less of a jew.

>>149910072
Google chrome is open source bro.
http://www.chromium.org/

>>149910009
Their marketshare is shit compared to IE though. And they only gained that in the first place because IE was shit.

On the other hand Steam already has the market so they might become the new IE.

>>149910287
> implying exclusives

I can pirate from any of those and play all of them on my PC.

This happened with Snow Leopard for OS X.
Nobody buys their apps from the Mac App Store, at all. Games sales are even lower since Steam for Mac happened.

>>149910372
>MPC-HC the worst video player

Enjoy your traffic-cone eyesores. They don't even have anything to do with playing videos.

>>149910017

http://www.steampowered.com/steamworks/FAQ.php

Read this. Valve do not have a set percentage they take from game sales. They actually sit down and talk about it.

Notch probably went in, with no business knowledge thinking he was some big shot and fucked everything up and was unreasonable.

>>149910103
>notch
Oh and suddenly he knows shit about the gaming market? 10/10

>>149910486
>I say media player
>you say video player
lel

>>149910372
I'll outdraw and outpaint you in GIMP any day.

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>>149906929
It's less bloated, is integrated into Windows and actually works really well

>>149908906
pwehehe

Look, I like Steam but competition is good. The only thing Steam does better than 8's new distribution system is friends and shit that I can do without.

Maybe Valve can use this opportunity to make Steam less of a whore but I doubt it. This could also be the moment eroge has been waiting for and will finally be available on Steam.

>>149910431
Open source is not enough for Stallman.

>>149910565
I use mspaint, photoshop, and SAI.
And besides, I do art for a living, really. I know it's hard to believe, but yes, I do digital concept art for video game companies.

>>149910442

http://www.w3schools.com/browsers/browsers_stats.asp

The number of IE users has been constantly dropping in favour of other, better browsers.

>>149910287
Enjoy your platform exlcusives
>buy on STEAM TO GET THE ULTIMATE HAT OF DOOM FOR TF2
>BUY ON ORIGINS TO GET THE FIRST DLCs* FOR FREE**
>BUY ON WINDOWS STORE TO UNLOCK ALL CHARACTERS

>>149909675
I really don't think that applies to Linux, we don't know how it will turn out. Remember that Mac's have a bad reputation amongst gamers and many users alike. Mac is only popular with the "hipster tech kiddies" that blindly praises a company with no technological knowledge. Linux on the other hand, is what most users use as an alternative to Windows. Not only that, but many people in server management are all using Linux today.

If Valve, Blizzard and many of the other indie developers truly want full income, they are going to try hard, real hard, people don't know about Linux, they have to promote it big time.

As for Linux itself, it needs to fucking decide what Distro will be best suited for the main user, in other words which one will be idiot proof. Ubuntu is already getting to this, I just hope that Valve also supports other distros, Mint etc.

There are already many games on Linux and the average Linux user pays more than the average Mac user, so that helps a lot. There is definitely a crowd for it. Windows 8 is a big problem, so will other MS OSs' will be, does anybody remembers when GFWL was available? They wanted PC Gamers to actually pay for the service, they are trying to make PC Gaming like Xbox LIVE, I truly hope that doesn't happen.

>>149910559
You also said MPC, not MPC-HC.

But you're uncultured trash.

> MS is better
> they charge for patches

> Offline modes DOESNT WORK ;_(
BootStrapperInhibitAll=enable
ForceOfflineMode=enable
> You don't own the GAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAMMMMMMMMEEEEEEE
Neither do consoles, DRM isn't going to go away

> GAYBEN IS RESPONSIBLE FOR DRMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM
Its the publishers decision whether or not to put steam authentication
> Can you cite a source for that last one bub?
Nope, its common sense. TW2 has no steam auth and you can run it straight from its directory without steam running.

>>149910308
I didn't say it would become the 1st digital platform day 1. But in 2 years, be sure microsoft has taken the monopoly.
It is an unfair tactic, bad for the customers. But it is an efficient tactic (seducing publishers). I never said it was an actual good thing, you know. I mean, it won't mean cheaper games for us, just more profit fro them.

>>149910737
>uncultured trash
>i was saying the first few characters since i didn't want to waste my time on fags like you
Welp. Looks like I wasted my time anyways. I'm out.

>>149910287
It's still not as bad as buying 3 consoles.

>>149909002
No, he said "Steam has to enter stock market" you faggot.

>>149910602
That's because rms is a fucking headcase that makes the entire open source community look bad, and actively doesn't want open source software developers to be commercially successful.

>>149909287
Um have you asked Stallman about this yourself? He says outright that steam is unethical. He recently when I asked him about the new EULA, he said it would be better to lose access to all of my games than to give up more of my freedoms.

He said there is a chance it could do some good if it gets users to switch to GNU/linux, but that steam itself is unethical.

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>>149909090
Bwa hah aha. I am sure it is ABSOLUTELY NOT biased.

>>149910372
MPC is the best media player out there. FF memory troubles have been dealt with 10 versions ago.

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>>149910430

>microsoft is less of a jew.

no one can be this fucking retreaded but hay its is fucking /v/

>>149910636
That's cool, I do animated sprites. Thing is I practically grew up on GIMP though so I can shit out rendering in minutes using it, it's not the greatest art program but it's certainly capable enough. The new brush size slider in 2.8 drives me up the fucking wall though, had to downgrade to 2.6.12 until they fix it.

I'd love to see some real competition for Steam, but even Origin is better than the attempts Microsoft has made so far. GFWL is absolutely horrific.

>>149910973
Nah they haven't. Can you have 10 tabs open at once in Firefox?
NO YOU CAN'T NOT WITH MY COMPUTER.

>>149910862
>He said there is a chance it could do some good if it gets users to switch to GNU/linux
I'm pretty sure he said the exact opposite. He doesn't want Linux flooded with users that are openly accepting of freedom restricting software, and he's right.

>>149910997
GIMP just feels like one of those shitty programs you download for one thing and never use again.
Which is what happened, in my case.

>>149911064
Good thing I'm not using your computer.

The Windows app store only supports Metro apps.

If you think any game company is dropping Windows 7 support within the next 3 years then you're wrong. In fact, most won't even drop XP support.

>>149910975
Yes it is less of a jew (to publishers).

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Are they allowed to do that? Isn't that false advertising?

>>149910862
Stallman is a giant faggot

> OH WOE IS ME BETTER TO HAVE NOTHING THAN BE SLIGHTLY INCONVENIENCED

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liebeck_v._McDonald%27s_Restaurants

Educate your fucking self. Your "hero" is in support of frivolous lawsuits.

>>149910973
Firefox still memory leaks everywhere. On several occasions I've ended up with it using 900MB of RAM with a single tab open.
Not great when I only have 2GB on my laptop

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>>149909750
>>149909823
It doesn't apply in the US either. Do you people not know what a Contract of Adhesion is? It isn't void for a number of reasons, why Valve makes no attempt to make sure that you are aware of this before you click accept. Another being that you have no ground to bargain with them. It is basically a take it or leave it deal, which they don't even make sure you are aware of.

These kinds of contracts haven't matter since the the 60s in the Stevens vs Fidelity and Causality CO. case.

>>149910442
IE is in the minority now.

>>149911142
> less of a jew
> charges for patches
> does not allow free DLC

>>149911129
Well I just work alla-prima, so more complex brush engines fuck with me. I just want to pick the right colour, put it where it belongs and be done with it.

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>wanting Microsoft to succeed over Valve

Are you really this fucking blind in your hatred? Yeah, Valve is shit but now imagine Microsoft or EA wielding their power. It's the lesser evil and I will support it until GoG becomes a serious competitor.

>>149910072
VLC is published under the GNU general public license. Your legally free to use it as you wish, study it and modify it, distribute it, and distribute the changed versions of it. How is it immoral? Do you even GNU?

>>149911286
>20% margins instead of 30%
I think it is still beneficial to publishers. They can pay $10,000 to push a patch if microsoft take 10% less on millions of dollars profit (for bigger games).

>>149909025
>no vac bans
>no drm
>no bloated software
yea, no.

>>149911323
See, I can't use shit like that for what I do. Sorry, it's just unprofessional.
And all the hipster faggots in my town try to defend it, so it gives me even more hatred against it.

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All hail Stalin, our beloved leader of revolution!

>>149911458
But for small games it's going to be super shitty

>>149911440
I hate so much valve and its drone that any company destroying it would appear sympathetic to me. Enough of this steam crap. Gaming is dead anyway.

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>>149908349
>you're parroting that nivida is bad because of people making jokes about it werfing flames
Oh wow.

>>149911458
Valve only takes %15, I'm an indie game tester for Chivalry Medieval Warfare faggot. You're retarded.

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>>149911154
You buy the license to rent it.

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>>149911516
And his new incarnation.

>>149911539
Who cares? They'll sell on steam, so steamfags can have a few indie games with their valve games.

Microsoft want to seduce big publishers, selling AAA titles, not indiefags selling their garbage.

>>149910997
2.8 does fucking suck you are right there. Why not 2.7 though? I never switched as I already had 2.6 tried 2.8 and hated it. Should I go back to 2.6 or use 2.7?

>>149911607
Shouldn't it say so on the store page?

Doesn't matter how much they lowball when nobody will use the service anyway. You really expect valvefags with hundreds of games tied to their account will suddenly switch over? No, of course not.

>>149911568
>Valve only takes %15
Source? inb4 my dad is gabe

>>149911675
They'll need to convince those publishers that they don't need physical releases then. There is no way to sell an app that can go on the MS store outside of the MS store.

>>149911851
Actually, I'm sure there are a lot of other developers that browse this board.

I hope.
I can't be the only one.

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>>149911106
You aren't getting what I meant there. I know he is against freedom restricting software, he said steam on linux could encourage gnu/linux users to use freedom restricting software. That is bad.

What I meant though was that he said it could cause users to switch to GNU and free software. And get away from proprietary software. Being that if they switch to GNU and like it, they might try more and more free software. At least this is what I got from him when I emailed him about it.

>>149911506
What aspect is unprofessional? For commercial work the only problem I've had with it is the lack of proper colour management, I have to parse it through another tool if I need to work in Adobe RGB or LAB, but that's something they plan on fixing by next year.

I use to do value studies and colourise them, but I found that I was giving up too much control. I prefer working alla prima because I can structure my palette and have all my values in check from the start.

>>149911810
Will they have the choice? If publishers put their games exclusively on microsoft store, steamfags will have 2 choices : stick to steam and hope valve goes out of its lethargy, or go where the games are sold.

>>149911851
No source, he doesn't make it public knowledge unless you're a game dev looking to sell, its %15, my supervisor told me so.

Microsoft is going to get sued over their storefront being integrated into W8 anyway. The EU does not look kindly on this shit.

>>149911198
You sure you're not just using shitty add-ons? Without add-ons my FF uses 50-100 MB with 1 tab max.

Even with dozens of add-ons, loads of tabs and hours of browsing it rarely goes above 300 MB. And I have 4 GB RAM.

>>149911924
Still, the only actual source is those 30%. And if notch got proposed 30% for minrcraft, I guess they literraly bleed less famous (and profitable) indie devs.

>>149911810
Nobody is saying all of Valve's customers will disappear overnight. The problem is a huge decrease in the amount of new customers, as well as publishers being swayed away from the platform in favor of a much larger and possibly more financially appealing one. Use your brain retard and stop viewing things on such a basic level.

>People giving merit to Stallman

only on /v/

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But wouldn't Windows 8 games be more like casual tablet games just like what the OS was designed for? I mean it used the word "App" for christ's sake.

>>149911978
Of course they will have a choice. It's a consumer driven industry. Publishers can go ahead and put their games on the service, just like with Origin, and watch it all drop down to catastrophic levels. In spite of all of EA's bleating they still ended up crawling back to steam.

>>149912060
So why isn't Apple's store being sued? Unless it already has been.

>>149912181
Never been to /g/ have we?

>>149912194
>Of course they will have a choice.
I am afraid you are wrong. Gamers are weak minded kids, they won't think twice to adopt that new store if it is the only way to play the new AAA releases.

>>149911962
Don't get me wrong, it's good for small stuff. It just doesn't have the functionality I need. It also takes forever to load up.
If I want to do something small to post on 4chan, I open MSPaint. It's easy and works. I have Vista.
If I want to do a better drawing for my friends or even posting in drawthreads, I use Paint Tool SAI.
For my concept art shit I do professionally, I use Photoshop, since it has many features I constantly use, and the layout was easily adaptable and changeable. Photoshop is also very sturdy, in terms of program stability.

>>149911810
I'm willing to bet that more than half of Steam users aren't blind valvedrones, but people who are perfectly aware it's a glorified rental service and are only using it for convenience/deals/valve games.
Will they completely stop using Steam? Unlikely. Will they stop buying there? Possible.

>>149912129
>possibly more financially appealing one
>99% of the PC audience is on steam
>implying you're not the one who needs to utilize the peanut between your ears

>>149912182
This. It will end up like the mac app store, with very few and usually bad games being released.

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>implying microsoft would ever have summer sale dropping the price of a game down to $5

>>149906621
>actually using a smartphone OS on your computer

Windows 8 will flop harder than Vista, and Ballmer might finally get shit canned.

>>149912334
>more financially appealing one
>for publishers
Don't even think they care about you.

>>149912334
Refer to the post above you, valvedrone.

>>149912118
Oh you mean Notch, the oh so valuable guy who never lies just to get more money out of people?

Its %15, hes too much of a fucking jew to let %15 slip out of his greasy fingers

>>149912332
And you think those oh so conscious consumers are going to jump into bed with Microsoft which is an even greater cancer than Valve? Get a grip on reality, anon.

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>not buying windows 8 for gaming

Bill Gates is turning in his grave

>>149912317
You still didn't clarify what functionality that is.

>>149912425
>publishers
>not caring about where the greatest slice of the market resides

You guys must be console gamers. I refuse to believe that any PC gamer could possibly be this daft.

>>149908119
Do you thinks Stallman is the only 1 in charge of linux? Linus Thorvalds would accept steam and Ubuntu have plenty of nonfree software's and indie games.

>>149910590
>I can do without friends

Well, would you have a look at this autist.

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>>149912182
Don't worry. The consolefags think it's the end but hell, just watch W8 be some shitty underdeveloped BS that no sensible person buys.

>>149908349
It is, because it has drivers unlike AMD.

Hello /v/irgins

I will be posting this every day to report that I am still playing games that I purchased on steam and that I am having fun doing so, good day

>>149912438
>Microsoft which is an even greater cancer than Valve

Extrapolate.
Reminder, this isn't 1998 anymore.

>>149912425
You mean like Blizzard?

Yeah, they sure are loving W8.

>>149912427
Let me quote it again.

>http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/118701-Notch-in-No-Hurry-to-Bring-Minecraft-to-Steam

>"As much as I love Steam, I do somewhat worry about the PC as a gaming platform becoming owned by a single entity that takes 30 percent of all PC games sold," he told PC Gamer."
Even if he is notch, I believe him more when he says that (becausee he probably negotiated) than a random guy in this thread pretending to be a developer.

>throw away every UI improvement over the last 20 years in your new OS
>introduce a shitty store

are we really concerned that people are going to use W8 at all, it's unequivocally shit

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>pwehehe
>not wahahahaha

>>149912674
Games for Windows Live.

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>>149912334
>Microsoft proposes a better financial alternative than Valve, with the added bonus of providing direct access to the largest PC userbase in the world
There is absolutely nothing stopping every publisher from switching to Microsoft's platform. Are you and every other steamfag going to stick with Valve and play no games? No, of course you aren't. Current statistics mean absolutely nothing.

>>149907248
And I'll continue to pirate my games, while you guys sword fight with your dicks about Steam and Microsoft.

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>using a tablet OS on a desktop PC

Really, /v/?

>>149912691
>Even if he is notch

Stopped reading there.

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Isn't there a way to turn it off?

>>149912450
Well, really, Photoshop has better filters, file management, and support for brushes, which you don't care for apparently.