Valve cannot legally deny you the right to a class-action lawsuit. Those EULAs? Courts dismiss them. They do not constitute a binding legal contract. They do not have the weight of a binding legal contract. This is why EULAs are bullshit. If they want them to be enforceable, they'd have to get your hand-written signature and witnesses.
>>149876476 But EULAs do hold up in court as long as they are reasonable. If they said something like you have to be a butler for life for gaben then obviously not but something like this, yes definitely. That they aren't legally binding is a common misconception.
>>149876476 Also the licence shit is just wording to get around the EU decision about reselling. Means people can't resell their games, but you knew that, it's why you bought it for 75% off. Really, who cares about what they did or didn't do. It's a PR war, and Valve is doing the smart thing of stepping back and not trying to fuck it up some more. Rather than turning it into a damage control nightmare, they just let the shitstorm run its course and don't feed it any more. >>149876724 Better than redditfags worshipping the flavour of the month. It's the antithesis and the control so it doesn't get out of hand.
>>149876865 This place used to be decent middle ground.
Now you have reddit if you want to jump on the cocks of the people in the business or you have /v/ where you can continuously beat a dead horse over and over. The dead horse being whatever video game retards feel like bashing for no reason.
>>149877178 Pretty much. It's only to prevent these stupid lawsuits. If you really have a problem with steam, like for example they banned you for no reason and you can't resolve the issue over the support, you can still take them to court. Literally nothing has changed for the normal customer.
>>149877178 Um, if you have seen that coffee was hot thing, you may have noticed she got 3rd degree burns due to the hot coffee. We aren't just talking about the coffee not having the perfect temperature.
You're confusing a CONTRACT, which is legally binding, with an AGREEMENT, which is not. You can, at any time, go back on your agreement, and if you feel cheated, you can have it investigated in good faith.
A contract is a legally binding, obvious, minimum bullshit document between two or more parties, and bad contracts will also be sorted out by the law, but if a contract was done properly, YOU are the one who's gonna end up paying for withdrawing from it - not the big business.
Until the EULA and ToS say, in simple terms, what you're agreeing to, and they're legally binding documents, they're not, and you can easily take people like Blizzard, Valve, Ea, and whoever the fuck else - your local grocery store owner - to small claim's court, where the judge will rule in your favor after an hour of talking, then bonk the business on the head and tell them to stop being so fucking greedy and stupid.
But... the new terms of service are to clarify that you're not allowed to sell on your games or steam account as you only have a permanent license (which can be revoked if you try to sell your games/account), not ownership.
Furthermore, on the subject of 'software licensing,' this isn't something that would hold up in small claim's court, or anywhere else where big business and copyright owners can't buy their way around - which they can't when the judge just wants a hit of coke, and to deal with real problems.
There's even an EU ruling that forbids the 'licensing' of software now, forcing companies to treat it as if it's physical media. They've been whining that's not the case for a very long time, to earn legitimacy, and now that it's happened, it's ruined all their legitimacy, as we all knew it would.
I've fought Blizzard themselves in small claims, because they didn't want to accept my return of Diablo for the purchasing money. The judge basically said 'well, it doesn't fucking work, so you're selling a faulty product, and it could be thought of a false advertizing. You're being greedy, you're fucking over the consumer, and now you don't have the decency to give a refund? You will give that refund. Case closed.'
But this isn't americaland, so I naturally have more freedom and rights than what's normal over there.
>>149877617 >the new terms of service are to clarify that you're not allowed to sell on your games or steam account as you only have a permanent license Since when can laws, contracts and agreements be retroactive?
>>149877769 It's not a matter of tinfoil conspiracy, it's a question of lawyers and lobbyists. Of course the people with power and resources run the world. It's the natural order of things, it's not strange.