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So idea one would be to short Coal. Buy Nickel futures. This is what obvious, but there must be better ideas to capitalise on this.

it's so not genuine it's a waste of time

gtfo with your pseudoscientific bullshit

>>2862119
I've wasted at least 10 hours looking for information about it on the web, and I can't say it conclusively that its a fraud. Also it might be and appeal to authority, but Brian Josephson http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brian_David_Josephson ,who is a noble prize winning physicist thinks its genuine.

Some talk about it on Physicsforums by him:

http://www.physicsforums.com/showthread.php?t=484427&page=3

number of neutrons or other radiation detected?
that should be a strong smoking gun.

>>2862119
This can't just be written off as pseudoscience. This is not as if Rossi is a fly by night kind of individual. He has been working on nickel and hydrogen reactions since the 90's.
It sounds as if he found a grey area between chemical and nuclear reactions.
If it helps at all:
>Essén and Professor Emeritus at Uppsala University Sven Kullander, also chairman of the Royal Swedish Academy of Sciences’ Energy Committee, both participated on 29 March as observers at a new trial in Bologna of the so-called ‘energy catalyzer’, which could be based on cold fusion, or LENR, Low Energy Nuclear Reaction.
Findings here: http://www.nyteknik.se/nyheter/energi_miljo/energi/article3144827.ece

Apologies, that was the link to the article.

Paper of Findings is here: http://www.nyteknik.se/incoming/article3144960.ece/BINARY/Download+the+report+by+Kullander+and+Ess%C
3%A9n+%28pdf%29.

They have a secret catalyst that makes the reaction possible. Since only they know what the catalyst is, nobody else can duplicate their results.

Instead of publishing the information in a journal or something, they're trying to commercialize it.

I am incredibly skeptical of these two. They don't behave like scientists, they behave like fraudsters and con artists.

>>2862111
Buying nickel might not be that great idea, the 10kW unit used less than 100g in 3 or so months, so after some rough calculation 10 TW power would take less then 100000 tons of nickel and worldwide production was 1.6 million tons, so what it would use is not significant enough to affect the price.

>>2862045
ohlookitsthisagain.jpg

if these guys were for real they would have been assassinated a long time ago

>>2862175
i agree with this guy completely.. any real scientist would atleast patent it if not publish their results.. these guys are con artists

>cold fusion

here we go again

>>2862250
I'm not sure if you're familiar with how the patent process works, but its in progress.
Also how would you go about this, if you spent your own money on the research, no major paper would publish your results, pretty much the only course they could take is build the thing, and sell it.

hydrinos again?

>>2862280
bs.. patent processes are really really easy.. people patent ALL SORTS OF SHIT.. if he has NO MONEY, he just needs to convince one other person who has money that his shit works.. if he cant do that then hes a failure or his shit doesnt work.. theres alot of people with money who would patent his shit and sign a contract to take 10% of the proceeds, while he gets 90%.. even a competent patent lawyer would..

screw the 1mw plant, I just want to know how much it'll cost to put one of the 10kw units in my house.

>>2862342
>Defkalion Green Technologies is planning on opening a factory in October that will produce 300,000 units a year that will be sold in the Greek and Baltic markets. Other factories will most likely be opening in other parts of the world. Defkalion estimates that a reactor for your home would cost approximately 3500 Euros and the generator to convert the heat to electricity would cost an additional 1500 Euros. This is a very favorable price considering the massive energy and fuel savings an individual will reap after buying a unit. For example, an average home may use a few hundred dollars worth of electricity a month and may also pay substantial amounts of money for natural gas or fuel oil. In one year the unit could pay for itself. However, with any technology the cost will come down dramatically in time.

From >http://peswiki.com/index.php/Directory:Andrea_Rossi%27s_Cold_Fusion_Energy_Catalyzer_%28E-Cat%29
:_Fr
equently_Asked_Questions

I still this is just a fraud. I mean they can't get any papers published about it and even their patent got rejected, plus during the demonstration of it almost everything was hidden behind a screen.

People who still fall for cold fusion scams deserve to have their money taken from them.

I don't see the problem here.

>>2862147
that guy has said the same thing about every cold fusion scam

i knew it was a scam from the pic. he's not even wearing a white coat.

If he had anything that worked it would be really easy to demonstrate it working and receive all the sex and money on can want.

Why do you think nobody has demonstrated free energy?
It's because they don't have anything that works

Because of this, all of them are scams.

if you want "free" energy you could just collect ambient heat. the air has shitloads of energy in it because it's all just wooshing around at about 280-300 kelvin in most places. shit's hot yo.

does anyone else think it's crazy that air conditioning uses so much energy just to REMOVE energy from the air? then it takes that energy and tries to dump it into a higher energy system (the external hot air) by compressing the fuck out of it. what the fuck? this is why the world needs engineers; to sort out fucked up things like this.

It appears that hope is fading as to the legitimacy of this device. I don't quite understand.
The more people who examine the device, the better. So far, those who have examined it have all come to the same conclusion. This appears to be a nuclear reaction of some sort.
The major problem with the patent is that they do not know the process as to how it works. They know what conditions must be met, but the actual process is still a mystery.
No journal or patent would touch this without an explanation, and they won't hand out their work without some guarantee that it won't be stolen.
This is why I believe they are acting in the way that they are.

>>2864027
I assume you know this, but you couldn't just collect ambient heat. Even with a cold resevoir at absolute zero you wouldn't be able to extract much work.

>>2864169

the main point really is that in air conditioning we use energy to remove energy (from the air to cool it), which seems backwards. if we could just use the energy from the air itself it doesn't really matter how much work that energy can do; what matters more is that we're just using up that energy and making the air cooler for free.

the main reason it is almost inevitable that tokyo will have blackouts this summer following the power plant failures is just the massive amount of energy demanded by air conditioning. as i said, the whole thing seems backwards to me.

If what Brian Josephson writes about Rossi paying 1 million euro to CERN for them to examine his reactor is true, then that investigation should settle it, because if there is any kind of nuclear reaction going on, the guys at CERN will find it. Also, from reading descriptions of the independent testing, a fraud or chemical reaction seems unlikely, so some optimism may actually be reasonable.

>>2864188
Dude, its called thermodynamics, go read about it. You cannot extract thermal energy without having a temperature difference.

>Refuses to provide open access to the apparatus
>Refuses controlled experiments
>Refuses to publish papers about it
>Guy ran a "free-energy"-fraud in the past and was convicted for it
>Wants a lot of money
If your bullshit-meter isn't of the charts you need to get it checked

clarifying that I remain skeptical untile further proofs are shown, this thing is highly promising.
the science behind it exists. Focardi, along with others, has worked for years on Ni-H fusion, he published papers and the results of experiments where he obtained the fusion.
Others not related to him have done the same too.
He and Piantelli have a patent for a NI-cu reactor, and the rossi focardi reactor is based on that design( I have understood that some of the problems for the patent derive from this).
the papers have been published and anyone can reproduce their work.
the problem was that most of the energy was released as gamma radiation and not heat, and the conditions for it working were extremely complex, so it wasn't viable for production.
Rossi seems to have solved this problem, with his secret catalyst.


the experiments show that the machine produces huge amounts of energy and the experiments were devised to exclude some hidden source of energy, so it must come from the reactor.

maybe it'll turn out to be a hoax, but if that's the case it would be an incredibly complex and pointless hoax.

It's complete bullshit.
I can't actually say how much complete bullshit it is.

Except one thing:
Mandatory /sci/ reading is "Voodoo Science" by Robert Park.

I can't emphasise enough how complete bullshit this thing is. Cold fusion is like herpes, it never truly goes away.

ITT
>i don't need to look at the facts i already believe it's bullshit
you guys are worse than christian fundies

>>2864203
>Refuses to provide open access to the apparatus
why give away for free something you can sell for billions?
>Refuses controlled experiments
false.
>Refuses to publish papers about it
papers will be published as soon as the device is patented and on sale.
>Guy ran a "free-energy"-fraud in the past and was convicted for it
no. he ran some business on garbage recycling, and was convicted for violating some retarded law on export of precious metals.
>Wants a lot of money
who wouldn't?

It's genuine when they build this shit and it's $0.01 a mw/h.

>>2864404
papers will be published as soon as the device is patented and on sale.
Publication generally precedes marketing.

i'd give them a benefit of doubt.
after all, it wouldn't be the first time someone discovered something groundbreaking, without knowing how it works.

>>2864437
>Publication generally precedes marketing.
bullshit. you sit on an invention that can make you billions. why would you just give it away?

>>2864461
Because someone isn't sciencing right if they're making bold claims without letting their peers tear their methodology apart and replicate the process.

>>2862356
Basically that works out to be cheaper than the power I'm getting from a local nuclear reactor. Plus it is more capacity than I use, so they'd be paying me.. NICE.

>>2864368
There aren't any facts, just one guy with a whole lot of unfounded claims.
These stories always end the same way, a lot of stupid people without money, and one smart fraudsters spending the rest of his live on the Bahamas

stupid people being gullible

First thing I'd do if I had invented this shit would be to claim it was proof of the nonexistence of god. Then I'd write a contrived and rediculous paper about it, tear out strategic pages, circulate the remainder of the paper as though it had been leaked, and then wait for people to start calling me all day and night. Then I'd go on the colbert report, avoid the question at hand and advertise my machine. Then I'd buy my own island.

>>2864519
>There aren't any facts, just one guy with a whole lot of unfounded claims.
that one guy showed his device to many independent observers, they all agreed it's legit.

no hidden cables were discovered, and size of the device is too small and the power too high to have a battery hidden inside.

>>2864203
Subthread ended.
Let's get back to >>2862045. What would you do if it WAS legit.

>>2864489
> someone isn't sciencing right if they're making bold claims without letting their peers tear their methodology apart and replicate the process.

It's called industrial R&D and if you let your peer tear the methodology apart and replicate the process you've just violated the NDA and are going to be fired if you're lucky, or sued for a gigabillion megadollars.

Peer review happens in academia, which is largely nonprofit. Inventions are not academia, they are entrepeneurship and for-profit.

no, no, and no, none is true you faggot, except they didn't have to discover the wires because they were fucking visible

>>2864554
If he invented a much CHEAPER form of energy than what is there already, all he needs to do is patent the device he invented. The only way you'll be able to take advantage of it without paying him then is to make your own. And you wouldn't be able to sell the power generated. As for the specific reactions involved, he could live off of the papers and books he could write and would basically be a gillionaire for just the discovery. So as the man said,
1)Patent the discovery and machine.
2) Peer review the fuck out of it.
3) Build plant with finished product.
4) Don't accidentally blow up the world cuz you didn't test your machine correctly.

>>2864578
>1)Patent the discovery and machine.
They are waiting for the patents to be granted. Once that's done they will presumably reveal it to the world(or you could, you know, just read the patent and find the relevant info in it)

>>2864557
>except they didn't have to discover the wires because they were fucking visible
those go to the resistor that preheats the reaction mass.

there was an ampermeter on those wires. and they were connected to a normal wall outlet. so no chance of fraud there.

>>2862045

>So lets entertain the idea that this turns out to be genuine

Should we also enterain the idea that a magic flying man lives in the sky, who grants wishes?

>>2862045
Its interesting that noone even tried to answer OPs question. Everyone here is broke, with no investments? Noone knows anything about the stock market? This place has no finance forum, so I thought /sci/ would be the closest.

>>2864598
they have made experiments in controlled environments with independent reviewers, who controlled and examined all the quipment, with the exception of the small reactor chamber. Thus the energy produced could only come from there, and the amount of energy produced is too big for any non-nuclear reaction. And in any case it's a cheap way to produce energy, regardless of whether it's nuclear or not.

as for how it works, there is a paper published by rossi and focardi, and papers published by others which describe a reactor very similar to the one used. The only difference is the catalyzer used by rossi, which is a secret until the patent is approved.

lol. two nickles= 6 months of electricity... holyfucking mindblowing resructuring of society maybe i should spend like 50 bucks on stocks of there just in case....

>>2864594
lolno

THEY COULD MAKE IT PUBLIC AND PATENT LATER, LRN2PRIORART

>Selling the machine
>Not selling the energy produced by the machine
This doesn't pass the logic test.

>>2864679
Itaily or the EU is not a US state: US patent law != EU patent law

>>2862147
odd how it's usually the nobel laureates who believe in electric universe, fe, ether, plasma cosmology, etc.

1MW power plant will go online in october.

i'd love to see the face of cold fusion deniers then.

>>2864368
>>2864368
>>2864368
>>2864437
>>2864437
>>2864437

>An idiot and his money are easily parted
Yeah, nothing to see here

>>2864743
>My face when the Plant will produce 0W

LOL, I just watched some bits of the video. And come on, these guys look legit!

>>2864753
>implying there are no peer reviewed papers on cold fusion whatsoever
>implying anyone would publish on a commercially viable device before he's awarded a patent

>>2864743
They'd be happy.

What, do you think that people don't want cold fusion?

>>2864777

>>2864783
>What, do you think that people don't want cold fusion?
those who built their careers around hot fusion certainly don't.

>>2862317
>he just needs to convince one other person who has money that his shit works..

>Implying that this isn't where the problem lies because its not real.,

>>2864787

faggot, go back to /b/

>>2864027

Bro, that was an episode of SG:A. Mckay had to team up with a bunch of geniuses (including Bill Nye the Science Guy) to stop an over glorified air conditioner that worked by absorbing heat instead of compressing but then it took out to much heat at a time and drew rapids amount of energy freezing the area the energy was drawn from. They called it freeze lightning. Its a funny episode. I liked it.

>>2864027
You can't just make heat go from a cold place to a hot place willy nilly (which is what an Airconditioner is doing the second it makes the temperature of the room even half a degree below the ambient temperature outside).

You have to put in a shitload of energyto do it so you don't violate various laws (of Thermodynamics and Entropy)

lol I've already got a steorn orbo so ive got infinite free energy anyway u jellymad u fucken sciencefags

ITT: faggot liberals who think you should just ditch an opportunity to make millions for the sake of knowledge.

You realize if he doesn't capitalize off of this, someone will steal his work and do it. Just wait for the patent to be approved you impatient fucks.

http://pesn.com/2011/04/07/9501805_Rossi_Cold_Fusion_Validated_by_Swedish_Skeptics_Society/
What do you say about this?

So, how long should that whole patent thing take?

>>2864866
that not fidning any apparent flaw in a limited inspection does not equal validation, the guy doing the inspection never said "yep, it's valid". more like it looked good from what he saw but still there's a huge fucking black boxin the way of things.

>>2864837
I lol'd at the audience expressions at 0::49
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7wIjNJH0Cpw&feature=player_embedded
pic related

>>2864845

Well, that is what patents are for. They tried to get a patent but were rejected because they would not file the information required to actually confirm/deny the process.

>>2864866
And what is his qualification for confirming/denying the process? Were they allowed to measure emissions this time? Or was it like last time were any measurements that would confirm/deny the process claimed to be occurring was forbidden.

>>2864783

Judging by this thread, it looks like it.

>>2864907
well, they say, they were given access to it.

>>2864907
they were allowed to make all the mesurements necessary to confirm that there was a huge amount of energy coming from a small reactor, wtf are you on

>>2864837
Orbo violated laws of thermodynamics.
Cold fusion doesn't violate any physical laws.

What do you think about the hypothesis(I made up just now), that they've put some fuel withing that "insulated" one and burned(or catalytically oxidized) it, while mixing the gases into the water vapors (or using the 300w to pressurize them) ? LOL, I bet the gramps swedes did not check the "insulation" of the fourth one before running it, and let themselves be fooled by an assumption, that it is the same as the other three (I wonder, why would there otherwise be as much as 3 of them, if not in an attempt to strengthen such impression, hmm?).

They're proposing that 62Ni + 1H -> 63Cu occurs. I'm pretty sure nuclear spin selection rules strongly forbid this. This is why odd-numbered elements are rarer in the Universe than even-numbered ones.

>>2862693
Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain!

>>2865053
Sorry, wasn't really OP there.

>>2865046
for instance I think that 30 of these would easily fit in the "insulated and shielded" device
http://www.denlorstools.com/home/dt1/page_26527_151/portasol_p-50_soldering_iron_cordless.html
and the link mentioned before
http://pesn.com/2011/04/07/9501805_Rossi_Cold_Fusion_Validated_by_Swedish_Skeptics_Society/

>>2865046
Chemical reactions could not explain the energy levels involved assuming the heating and flow of water were as mentioned.

Of course, if they have a wireless elecetricty setup in the next room and inside the object and pipes over a few kW electrical energy to a heating element they could do it. But chemical energy? NOEP.

>>2864988
They were allowed to look at measurements made by the people making the claim then. I am asking if they were allowed to measure for emissions other than "Look at how much energy guis" that would confirm a process of the type claimed is occurring. I know that such measurements [like neutron and gamma emissions] were forbidden in the January demonstration.

>>2865133
What? Can you please tell me why do you consider the possibility to encapsulate 5kW catalytic oxidizer/heater with fuel for 4 hours of operation into the whole insulated contraption) to be implausible? Because I managed to miss that in your post. I assume you would need just a couple of liters of Propane.

Havent these assholes ever hear of an NDA. You bring in a respected and trusted 3rd party to evaluate your device. They look over your work and do some tests. They agree not to publish specifics but only to confirm/deny/unsure your device and as soon as the patent passes then they can publish results.

>>2865053
Cold fusion
>mfw

Seriously, im going to need to see some very convincing science to get me to believe that they are able to
1.Generate sufficient conditions to fuse a proton
2.Control the reaction to stabilize energy output
3.Handle the energies usually associated with nuclear fusion

>>2865209
5kWh for 4 hours is 72MJ of energy. You'd need air intakes and ~2kgs of propane for that. + exhaust and oh yeah, things would lose 2kgs of weight with an air breathing model, more so if you use internal oxidizers.

>>2865222
And an NDA faggot becomes drunk, spills the beans and suddenly your billion dollar dream goes down the drain and you're left trying to extort money from the person trough the legal system.

>>2865270
I didn't know they were weighing the apparature. Are you sure about that? And even if, it could just take some water that was going into it to make up for the weight. In case the intake and output were not precisely monitored. And I got the feeling they were not. I don't even know whether those two Swedes were legit, and if they were, whether they were using their own measuring equipment. I still think that is plausible, unless they were given an access to the disassembled device(not including the other three)

Obvious fake.

Anyone who believes this bullshit deserves to be neutered.

>>2865304
Anyone who believes this neuter deserves to be bullshited.

Motherfucker's spending a million Euro getting it analysed at CERN, so this probably isn't the best strategy for defrauding people of money.

>>2865295
Where do you just hide four liters of propane? Where's the air intake? Exhaust?
>I don't even know whether those two Swedes were legit
One of them is the chairman of the swedish skeptics society. And they expressed cautious optimism, they didn't give their stamp of scientific verification as some claim. They examined the equipment, primarily the powersupply which mainly was passive components.

I don't know about the flow meters and whatnot.

I'll wait for definite information, although I hope this shit is real because it would improve the global energy situation somewhat.

> Havent these assholes ever hear of an NDA. You bring in a
> respected and trusted 3rd party to evaluate your device.
> They look over your work and do some tests. They agree
> not to publish specifics but only to confirm/deny/unsure
> your device and as soon as the patent passes then they
> can publish results.

With the amount of money and politics related to this, there are seriously not any parties to be trusted anymore.

Also, there are scientific papers by Focardi describing the research on this:

http://www.lenr-canr.org/acrobat/FocardiSlargeexces.pdf

Besides I actually really wish this shit is for real, it also increasingly looks like a legit research process.

Probably a busted/rigged meter that's giving false readings. Certainly not legit by the long shot.

> Probably a busted/rigged meter that's giving false readings. Certainly not legit by the long shot.

Which meter do you think of? Water was visible, steam was visible and also the smal cables..

> Anyone who believes this bullshit deserves to be neutered.

I strongly oppose your Nazi euthanasia program based on the belief of people.

>>2862045

Looks legit.

No troll, since the question is actually out there.

Summary of thread:

- There is no explanation for this, but nobody (yet) tried to present one
- Thread did not demonstrate by rational manners how this is a scam

Conclusion
-> We need to monitor this. Could be real. If it was...

>>2865428
>- There is no explanation for this, but nobody (yet) tried to present one
>- Thread did not demonstrate by rational manners how this is a scam
Sounds similar to the arguments a theist might use in attempting to prove that God exists.

here's a paper on it
http://www.lenr-canr.org/acrobat/FocardiSlargeexces.pdf

>>2865428
You seem to be unaware how science works
Hint: What you are doing is wrong.


Troll thread

I saw this a long time ago.

When I looked into it though, they didn't get their work published in any journal so published it in their own personal journal. Also, when having a talk about the subject, they refused to let the other physicists take a close look at the device. Lastly, the two guys that claim to have achieved this stuff have a record of trolling people.

>>- There is no explanation for this, but nobody (yet) tried to present one
>>- Thread did not demonstrate by rational manners how this is a scam

> Sounds similar to the arguments a theist might use in
> attempting to prove that God exists.

Let's keep with physics here. Mixing up things does not make opinions look serious.

>So lets entertain the idea that this turns out to be genuine

Yeah... No.

That's a big-ass chemical battery, and not even a very efficient one.

>>2865510
another idiot denier who completely ignores facts posted ITT?

>>2865510
>That's a big-ass chemical battery, and not even a very efficient one
>and not even a very efficient one
elaborate pls

> When I looked into it though, they didn't get their work
> published in any journal so published it in their own
> personal journal. Also, when having a talk about the
> subject, they refused to let the other physicists take a close
> look at the device. Lastly, the two guys that claim to have
> achieved this stuff have a record of trolling people.

Please present a link providing evidence Focardi was caught trolling. Having a hard time getting something published is no evidence in itself in such a situation.

>>2865523

Essentially all the heat is generated by chemical means rather than nuclear, but don't let me stop you from wasting your money.

>>2865533

It needs energy input to catalyze the chemical reaction. This is great for fuel stability (no self-discharge) but not very efficient in terms of return on fuel.

ITT: Faggots don't know the difference between inventors and academics

>>2865536
Tax fraud and smuggling gold.

http://www.popsci.com/science/article/2011-01/italian-scientists-claim-dubious-cold-fusion-breakthro
ugh

>Rossi and Focardi have applied for a patent that has been partially rejected in a preliminary report. According to the report, “As the invention seems, at least at first, to offend against the generally accepted laws of physics and established theories, the disclosure should be detailed enough to prove to a skilled person conversant with mainstream science and technology that the invention is indeed feasible. In the present case, the invention does not provide experimental evidence (nor any firm theoretical basis) which would enable the skilled person to assess the viability of the invention. The description is essentially based on general statement and speculations which are not apt to provide a clear and exhaustive technical teaching.” The report also noted that not all of the patent claims were novel.

>>2865548
>Tax fraud and smuggling gold.
So he's practicing the national sport of italy. He's probably making creepy moves on women too and smokes pot in his spare time.

It's not like i'll pay him a single fucking cent until he delivers absolute proof, let the morons waste their money on snake oil if they want.

>> 2865548

There is nothing against Focardi. He is the actual scientist behind it, it appears.

>>2865542
>essentially all the heat is generated by chemical means rather than nuclear
SO WHERE DID THEY HIDE THE REACTION MASS?

1 GJ of energy was created from a device with a volume of about 1 litre.

that's what you get by burning about 35 litres of gasoline.

> 2865542

Explain how this is chemically possible, using the last demonstration.

>>2865564
the patent examiner was an idiot.
that's like refusing a patent to wright brothers in 1900 because there was no established theory of lift at the time.

>>2865594
That would be true if wright brothers couldn't demostrate flight.
If they would have shown up with "we can fly but we will not show you" what do think would have happened.

>2865616
By all that what could be read there, Rossi and Focardi have meanwhile shown it flies as well, right?

>>2865616
>The Wright brothers wrote their 1903 patent application themselves, but it was rejected. In January 1904 they hired Ohio patent attorney Henry Toulmin, and on May 22, 1906, they were granted U.S. Patent 821393[9] for a "Flying Machine".

Took them three years to get a patent

also:
>Fearful of competitors stealing their ideas, and still without a patent, they flew on only one more day after October 5. From then on, they refused to fly anywhere unless they had a firm contract to sell their aircraft.

Until forever {
repeat_history;
}

>>2865616
but focardi and rossi already demonstrated that their device works.

>>2865581

PROTIP: That never happened.

I know you think it's funny to post trolls like these all day long but they lost their punch long before 4chan even existed.

>herpderpderp
"Man's unfailing capacity to believe what he prefers to be true rather than what the evidence shows to be likely and possible has always astounded me."
Cold fusion doesn't work, the guys are either fraudsters or willingly ignorant.
Come back when you have conclusive, interdependently reviewed evidence for your bullshit, otherwise fuck off

>>2865644
>PROTIP: That never happened.
derp.
http://www.lenr-canr.org/News.htm
>On February 10 and 11, 2011, Levi et al. (University of Bologna) performed another test of the Rossi device.

Duration of test: 18 hours
Flow rate: 3,000 L/h = ~833 ml/s.
Cooling water input temperature: 15°C
Cooling water output temperature: ~20°C
Input power from control electronics: variable, average 80 W, closer to 20 W for 6 hours

The temperature difference of 5°C * 833 ml = 4,165 calories/second = 17,493 W. Observers estimated average power as 16 kW. A 5°C temperature difference can easily be measured with confidence.

3,000 L/h is 793 gallons/h, which is the output of a medium-sized $120 ornamental pond pump.

The control electronics input of ~80 W is in line with what was reported for tests before Jan. 14. Input power was high on that day because there was a problem with cracked welding, according to the Levi report.

18 hours * 16 kW = 288 kWh = 1,037 MJ. That is the amount of energy in 26 kg of gasoline (7.9 gallons). Given the size and weight of the device, this rules out a chemical source of energy.

Rossi took his degree in enginery by a diploma mill. Make of this what you will.

>>2865581
Do I need to point out that they continually pump in a combustible fuel? I am not sure if the hydrogen combustion reaction would be enough, just pointing out that it is combustible and continually being supplied.

A good confirmation of their process would be to examine the composition of the nickel fuel before using it. Stick it in the machine, let it run for a good long time then look at the composition afterwards.

>>2865661
>implying that Levi isn't part of the fraudulent scheme.
>implying that it isn't an elaborate hoax

>>2865667
The university of Uppsala in sweden were given a sample of nickel that supposedly had been used as fuel for a couple of months, and found that it contained a lot of cupper.

But I am sceptical about a few points. Why, if it really is a nuclear reaction, do they need a large tank of hydrogen? Why not donate a working machine + a guard or something to make sure they don't peak inside, to an independent university for a longer independent study?

>>2865667
Hydrogen consumption was <1g.

>>2865693
That would kinda ruin their hoax

>>2865661
>Implying that you can't just make shit up and put it in a shitty website
IF there really was cold fusion then it would be really easy to prove it and recieve instant money and sex.

This is basically one of those "I got this and this but i won't show it to you" things.

>>2865698
I was trying to find that before I posted, but couldn't find it quickly. Thanks for the info and that blows that idea out of the water.

>>2865693
Do they have any independent tests of the composition before use as fuel?

>>2865708
>it would be really easy to prove it and recieve instant money and sex.
looks like they got instant money, because they are already building two factories (usa and greece) and a 1MW power plant

>>2865661
>The temperature difference of 5°C * 833 ml = 4,165 calories/second = 17,493 W
>implying a 5-degree delta per second

Nice number-fudging, chucklefuck.
Come back when you've learned something about heat transfer.

>>2865741
If your butthurt could be converted into energy we'd have free energy forever.

Thank you all, guys.

That is all I wanted to know: /sci/ is not able to destroy the claim. Now let's wait and see.

>>2865708
>This is basically one of those "I got an invention but the patent hasn't been granted yet so I wont show you how it works until I have the full patent so a multi-national company can't copy my procedure, put hundreds of people to work on replicating it and use their lawyers to get the patent before me" things.

Fixed

>>2865768
if you're op and have what you came for, delete the thread.

>>2865783
No, I am not OP. But this is why I went to /sci/

Before deletion, I would suggest archiving it.

1.36 NIGGAWATTS?!?

Sorry that's all I have to add to this thread.

>>2865768
No material is provided for us to destroy.

There is only some crazy dude claiming that he has done something that is physically imposible.

He has provided no scientific thories about his invention.
There are no papers about this.
No third party evidence.

This is exactly like religion.
The best thing we can do is point out that this probably is some form of scam and request that people stay away from it.

I aswell could claim that i have fusion reactor working in my basement. There is really nothing you could say that would prove othervise.

>>2865795

http://green-oval.net/cgi-board.pl/sci/thread/2862045

Thanks for your request.
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>>2865817
>Multiple demonstrations showing energy being produced
>Head of the swedish skeptical society says it's not chemical and that the amount of copper in the powder before and after it has been running are different
>Reasons for not letting the device being taken apart have been given a dozen times
>Claims it's not possible
>Evidence shows it is
>Widom-larsen theory shows it is theoretically possible

If you have never heard of widom-larsen theory then you are bullshitting

>>2865845
>Build machine that runs on remote energy/other scam machine
>Don't release any info
>Recieve money

>>2865863
>Make claims
>Provide no proof
>Receive counter suite

>>2862045
with that shitty ass equipment they have there, even if they were producing power (which they arent) there would be no way to tell because their equipment is so shitty that there could be 1 of a million things causing erroneous results.

It looks like a meth lab. What's the giant aluminum dildo for?

>>2865926
meth labs are usually more complicated than that

>>2865411

utrollme.jpg

>>2865708
>That would kinda ruin their hoax
ok, this one made me smile
Did I drink too much cola or is it actually a good joke? Idk, whatever. (I am not implying this is a hoax, not implying it is not)

>>2865940
Just wrap that shit in tin foil, add tubing and electric heater and you have cold fusion machine.

if it's a scam, it worked.

>200 million euros invested into a factory in greece, to manufacture 300,000 cold fusion devices a year, starting october 2011
http://www.xanthipress.gr/eidiseis/politiki/6874-xynidis-ependysi-hyperion-xanthi-ydrogono-nikelio-p
aragogi-energeias-ergostasio-xanthi.html

>>2866019
but i heard he only gets the money if the 1MW plant works. and he pays for that plant out of his own pocket.
if it's a scam it's not a very well thought out one.

So is it fair to say that if this works it will change everything?

>>2866061
Considering this is cold fusion we are talking about, hell yes it will.

It will be practically free energy.

It would be the end of global warming, much of powerty and other added benefits.
Humanity would rise to another level on the ladder to space.

This provided that the method woudn't be entirely ridiculous, like requiring massive amounts of rare earth minerals and prodicing low power output.

Where does it say that he's paying CERN 1 million euros to test it thoroughly?

Because if that's true that lends quite a bit of credibility.

>>2866061
Yes, it will revolutionize the field of scamming.

Few more archive requests needed.

This would be a fun thread to dig up if this shit actually works.

Also would like to see where it's stated he's paying CERN that 1M euros.

Looks more like an oversized silver double dildo than a fusion generator.

>>2866616

>This would be a fun thread to dig up if this shit actually works.

Or if it doesn't work it would be a good thread to link when another cold fusion claim comes under the spotlight.

>>2864217
>Ni-H fusion
What???

Nickel is heavier than iron. Iron is also the point where fusion reactions become endothermic. Nickel isn't fusing with anything without some energy present.

>>2866662
that's the thing with LENR reactions, they seem to violate conventional nuclear physics.

that's the reason why the issue causes so much butthurt.

>>2866699
It's rather insesible to think that oh there's 2k+ isotopes of the elments and the only positive reaction possible is fission of iron+ or fusion of iron- elements.

>>2866738
Doesn't know the definition of fusion.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hjtQZKqEytM&feature=related

An english interview with Rossi.
He says towards the end that "My life is at stakes".
He says that he put all his money in this, and only gets paid if the thing works.

>>2867029 which is...?

>>2866616
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http://energycatalyzer.blogspot.com/p/documents.html

If its a scam, its by far the most convincing I've ever seen.